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The Illuminati in America
Exclusive Interview with an Ex-Illuminati
Programmer/Trainer
By Svali with interviewer HJ Springer, Chief Editor CentrExNews.com
<***@looksmart.com>
Copyright © 2000 CentrExNews.com. All rights reserved.
http://educate-yourself.org/mcsvaliinterviewpt2.html
Part 2: Who and What is the Illuminati?
Q: Does it bother you to write about this?
A: It doesn't upset me to write on the topic of the
Illuminati, I was explaining why I write under a pen
name, that is all. I received a letter recently in which
it was alleged that I write under a pen name because I'm a
phony, which is not true at all. I am a freelance writer on
the side (I write for nursing magazines and publications on
health topics that have NOTHING to do with abuse) and
understand the need for fact checking, so no offense is
taken at your wanting to know my background. In fact, it
shows you are a responsible editor, which I admire.
I have nothing to hide. My story is 100% true.
I have gained no money for disclosing; I do NOT go on
talk shows, I am unknown and prefer it this way. I have
absolutely no secondary gain from doing this, other than the
medical bills for my children, which means I work three
part-time jobs. This is to answer the skeptics who say
that people disclose for: sympathy (I don't want any and
don't need it.
I made choices and mistakes in my life, and am now involved
in restitution); money (I earn $20 a MONTH for my site on
Suite 101. I earn $150 to $250 an article when I write on
Women's health. Guess which topic I write on more frequently?
Yep. Women's health, on completely non-abuse issues. The
editors of the Nursing magazines and women's magazines don't
know about the other topic I write on, another reason I write
under a pen name.) I don't write for fame. Instead, if my
co-workers knew about my past, I risk losing my job.
I have everything to lose by disclosing, everything to gain
by being silent.
But I also know that this kind of child abuse must be stopped.
As a Christian, and as one who stands against child abuse,
I have decided to speak out against cult abuse by writing
articles that expose it. I also know that there are a number
of people outspoken on this topic who have published, and
they could possibly be back-up information for you. I don't
know any of them, since I have no contact with other survivors
other than my own family, but it is a possibility.
Anyway, to your questions:
Q: Svali, I think our readers are wondering 'Is the Illuminati
a religion, secret society, satanism or is it a combination of
it, or something different all together, or more sinister?
A: The Illuminati is a group that practices a form of faith
known as "enlightenment". It is Luciferian, and they teach
their followers that their roots go back to the ancient mystery
religions of Babylon, Egypt, and Celtic druidism. They have taken
what they consider the "best" of each, the foundational practices,
and joined them together into a strongly occult discipline.
Many groups at the local level worship ancient deities such as
"El","Baal", and "Ashtarte", as well as "Isis and Osiris" and "Set".
This said, the leadership councils at times scoff at the more
"primitive" practices of the anarchical, or lower levels.
I remember when I was on council in San Diego, they called the
high priests and priestesses the "slicers and dicers", who kept
the "lower levels happy". This is not to offend anyone, it only
shows that at the leadership levels,they often believe
they are more scientifically and cognitively driven. But they
still practice the principles of enlightenment.
There are 12 steps to this, also known as "the 12 steps of
discipline' and they also teach traveling astral planes, time
travel, and other metaphysical phenomena. Do people really
do this, or is it a drug induced hallucination ? I cannot judge.
I saw things that I believe cannot be rationally explained when
in this group, things that frightened me, but I can only
say that it could be a combination of cult mind control, drug
inductions, hypnosis, and some true demonic activity. How much
of each, I cannot begin to guess. I do know that these people
teach and practice evil.
At the higher levels, the group is no longer people in robes
chanting in front of bonfires. Leadership councils have
administrators who handle finances (and trust me, this group
makes money. That alone would keep it going even if the rest
were just religious hog wash). The leadership levels include
businessmen, bankers, and local community leaders.
They are intelligent, well educated, and active in their
churches.Above local leadership councils are the regional
councils, who give dictates to the groups below them, help form
the policies and agendas for each region, and who interact with
the local leadership councils.
At the national level, there are extremely wealthy people who
finance these goals and interact with the leaders of other
countries. The Illuminati are international. Secret? By all
means. The first thing a child learns from "family, or the Order"
as they are called, is "The first rule of the Order is secrecy".
This is why you don't hear from more survivors who get out.
The lengths that this group goes to, to terrify its members into
not disclosing, is unbelievable. I have seen set ups (oh, yes,
they set up fake deaths, etc. ) where a person was "burned alive"
to teach the children not to tell. They are told that this is a
traitor, who disclosed,and now he is being punished. (The person
wasn't really a traitor, and is in a flame proof vest, but the
vision of a person on fire and screaming remains with 3 and 4
year old children for a lifetime). And, when they are adults,
even if they DO leave, scenes such as this mean they won't tell
many people for fear of being traced and punished.
Because I helped create a lot of set ups as an adult trainer,
I became somewhat cynical, and have chosen to disclose as a result.
Although I do fight intense fear even now at times.
Try being buried in a wooden box for a period of time (it may
have been minutes, but to a four year old it is an eternity),
and then when the lid is lifted, being told, "if you ever tell,
we'll put you back in forever". The child will scream hysterically
that they will NEVER EVER tell. I was that child, and now I am
breaking that vow made under psychological duress. Because I don't
want any other children to go through what I did, or have seen
done to others. Yes, the Illuminati are organized, secretive, and
extremely wealthy at its upper levels. They are not stupid, or
poor people running around dabbling with witchcraft.
To see them as this is a huge misconception.
Q: How widespread would you say this group has infiltrated our
society in terms of number of people? Are they present in every
town or city throughout North America? Do they take or recruit
outsiders? And how far does this group go to keep this knowledge
secret?
A: I think I answered some of the secrecy above. The Illuminati
are present in every major metropolitan center in the United States.
They have divided the United States up into 7 major regions, and
each has a regional council over it, with the heads of the local
councils reporting to them. They meet once every two months, and
on special occasions.
A metropolitan region may have as many as 10 to 30 groups within
it, and rural areas will often have meetings with other local
groups, and report to the metro leadership council. They almost
NEVER recruit outsiders, although ocassionally they will buy
children or a family from Asia, for example, and keep them under
constant surveillance in return for saving their life from the
local Mafia. They are threatened with being returned to this
group if they ever disclose.
They also have excellent lawyers who are well paid to help
cover their tracks. There are also people in the media paid
to help keep stories from coming out. I know of three people
in San Diego who worked for the Union Tribune who were faithful
Illuminists, and who also wrote frequent articles attacking
local therapists who worked with RA (Ritual Abuse) survivors.
I remember leadership boasting they had "run so-and-so out of
town" because of a media blitz, and being quite happy about it.
The Illuminati believe in controlling an area through its:
1. Banks and financial institutions (guess how many sit on banking
boards? You'd be surprised)
2. Local government: guess how many get elected to local city councils?
3. Law: children are encouraged to go to law school and medical school.
4. Media:others are encouraged to go to journalism school, and members
help fund local papers .
Q: Is this the same Illuminati that was created by Adam Weishaupt
in Germany?
A: Weishaupt did not create the Illuminati, they chose him as a
figurehead and told him what to write about. The financiers,
dating back to the bankers during the times of the Templar Knights
who financed the early kings in Europe, created the Illuminati.
Weishaupt was their "go fer", who did their bidding.
Q: Do you have anymore info about the political goals, if any,
of the Illuminati?
A: This article I wrote for Suite101.com addresses it: "Are the
Illuminati taking over the world?" You can reprint it, or part
of it, as long as you give credit to Suite 101 and/or a
link back to the site.
Q: How do Illuminati members recognise each other?
A: Since it is generational, its easy. It isn't hard to
recognize one's father, mother, siblings, and neighbors and
friends one has grown up with. The Illuminati use telephone
trees to contact members when a meeting is to occur. A month
or two ahead of time, leadership council plans dates and places
for meetings for different groups under their umbrella. They
then call local leaders a week ahead of time (the high priest
or priestess). Two days ahead, these people call their head
members, who then call the people under them. A person knows
their status in the group by how far ahead of time they know
a meeting date. The lower in the group, the less they are
trusted with information, and the less "lag time" before
meetings.
Sometimes, certain pieces of jewelry, such as a ruby ring or
an oval emerald, might be worn if meeting someone in a public
place at a prearranged assignation. But most accessing
and contact is done through family members or close friends.
When I lived in San Diego, my entire family of origin and my
four closest friends were all members of the group. It wasn't
hard to reach me, to say the least. My spouse was also a member.
The Illuminati believe in arranged members, and do NOT allow their
members to marry a nonmember. If someone says their spouse isn't
in it, they aren't Illuminati, or they are in denial. This was an
unbreakable policy. My marriage was arranged by the local leadership
council to another ranking member. I didn't want to marry him, because
I didn't love him, and I will never forget what I was told by Athena,
my mentor at the time (she held the second position on the council):
"That's for the best, then, because he can never hurt you or control
you." Or, my mother's timeless advice given when I was 12 years old:
"Never fu-- someone lower than you. They will drag you down. Always
choose someone higher than yourself."
She was an ambitious woman, to say the least, determined that I
would do well in this very political group. I took her advice,
and Athena was my lover and protected me from some of the SOBs
on leadership in San Diego especially Jonathan, the head trainer.
She taught me his weaknesses and how to get around him, and
stood up to him for me. I wouldn't have survived otherwise.
These are NOT nice people and they use and manipulate others
viciously.They cut their eye teeth on status, power, and money.
I have given all of that up to leave, and am glad to be away from
it now, although I do miss some of my friends, and at times I miss
the respect of being a leader. But I am learning to live a whole
new life without the constant background of "family" monitoring
and telling me what to do.
Know what the hardest part of getting out was? The freedom.
Not having anyone telling me what to do. I literally went through
a period of adjustment, felt wobbly, trying to figure out what
I wanted to do. It was hard, since I was used to reflexively
checking my decisions with leadership and Jonathan and my husband.
Freedom can be difficult, believe it or not, and took quite a period
of time to adjust to. I believe that the inability to deal with
it often draws people back in. I hope this information is useful
to you.
Exclusive Interview with an Ex-Illuminati
Programmer/Trainer
By Svali with interviewer HJ Springer, Chief Editor CentrExNews.com
<***@looksmart.com>
Copyright © 2000 CentrExNews.com. All rights reserved.
http://educate-yourself.org/mcsvaliinterviewpt2.html
Part 2: Who and What is the Illuminati?
Q: Does it bother you to write about this?
A: It doesn't upset me to write on the topic of the
Illuminati, I was explaining why I write under a pen
name, that is all. I received a letter recently in which
it was alleged that I write under a pen name because I'm a
phony, which is not true at all. I am a freelance writer on
the side (I write for nursing magazines and publications on
health topics that have NOTHING to do with abuse) and
understand the need for fact checking, so no offense is
taken at your wanting to know my background. In fact, it
shows you are a responsible editor, which I admire.
I have nothing to hide. My story is 100% true.
I have gained no money for disclosing; I do NOT go on
talk shows, I am unknown and prefer it this way. I have
absolutely no secondary gain from doing this, other than the
medical bills for my children, which means I work three
part-time jobs. This is to answer the skeptics who say
that people disclose for: sympathy (I don't want any and
don't need it.
I made choices and mistakes in my life, and am now involved
in restitution); money (I earn $20 a MONTH for my site on
Suite 101. I earn $150 to $250 an article when I write on
Women's health. Guess which topic I write on more frequently?
Yep. Women's health, on completely non-abuse issues. The
editors of the Nursing magazines and women's magazines don't
know about the other topic I write on, another reason I write
under a pen name.) I don't write for fame. Instead, if my
co-workers knew about my past, I risk losing my job.
I have everything to lose by disclosing, everything to gain
by being silent.
But I also know that this kind of child abuse must be stopped.
As a Christian, and as one who stands against child abuse,
I have decided to speak out against cult abuse by writing
articles that expose it. I also know that there are a number
of people outspoken on this topic who have published, and
they could possibly be back-up information for you. I don't
know any of them, since I have no contact with other survivors
other than my own family, but it is a possibility.
Anyway, to your questions:
Q: Svali, I think our readers are wondering 'Is the Illuminati
a religion, secret society, satanism or is it a combination of
it, or something different all together, or more sinister?
A: The Illuminati is a group that practices a form of faith
known as "enlightenment". It is Luciferian, and they teach
their followers that their roots go back to the ancient mystery
religions of Babylon, Egypt, and Celtic druidism. They have taken
what they consider the "best" of each, the foundational practices,
and joined them together into a strongly occult discipline.
Many groups at the local level worship ancient deities such as
"El","Baal", and "Ashtarte", as well as "Isis and Osiris" and "Set".
This said, the leadership councils at times scoff at the more
"primitive" practices of the anarchical, or lower levels.
I remember when I was on council in San Diego, they called the
high priests and priestesses the "slicers and dicers", who kept
the "lower levels happy". This is not to offend anyone, it only
shows that at the leadership levels,they often believe
they are more scientifically and cognitively driven. But they
still practice the principles of enlightenment.
There are 12 steps to this, also known as "the 12 steps of
discipline' and they also teach traveling astral planes, time
travel, and other metaphysical phenomena. Do people really
do this, or is it a drug induced hallucination ? I cannot judge.
I saw things that I believe cannot be rationally explained when
in this group, things that frightened me, but I can only
say that it could be a combination of cult mind control, drug
inductions, hypnosis, and some true demonic activity. How much
of each, I cannot begin to guess. I do know that these people
teach and practice evil.
At the higher levels, the group is no longer people in robes
chanting in front of bonfires. Leadership councils have
administrators who handle finances (and trust me, this group
makes money. That alone would keep it going even if the rest
were just religious hog wash). The leadership levels include
businessmen, bankers, and local community leaders.
They are intelligent, well educated, and active in their
churches.Above local leadership councils are the regional
councils, who give dictates to the groups below them, help form
the policies and agendas for each region, and who interact with
the local leadership councils.
At the national level, there are extremely wealthy people who
finance these goals and interact with the leaders of other
countries. The Illuminati are international. Secret? By all
means. The first thing a child learns from "family, or the Order"
as they are called, is "The first rule of the Order is secrecy".
This is why you don't hear from more survivors who get out.
The lengths that this group goes to, to terrify its members into
not disclosing, is unbelievable. I have seen set ups (oh, yes,
they set up fake deaths, etc. ) where a person was "burned alive"
to teach the children not to tell. They are told that this is a
traitor, who disclosed,and now he is being punished. (The person
wasn't really a traitor, and is in a flame proof vest, but the
vision of a person on fire and screaming remains with 3 and 4
year old children for a lifetime). And, when they are adults,
even if they DO leave, scenes such as this mean they won't tell
many people for fear of being traced and punished.
Because I helped create a lot of set ups as an adult trainer,
I became somewhat cynical, and have chosen to disclose as a result.
Although I do fight intense fear even now at times.
Try being buried in a wooden box for a period of time (it may
have been minutes, but to a four year old it is an eternity),
and then when the lid is lifted, being told, "if you ever tell,
we'll put you back in forever". The child will scream hysterically
that they will NEVER EVER tell. I was that child, and now I am
breaking that vow made under psychological duress. Because I don't
want any other children to go through what I did, or have seen
done to others. Yes, the Illuminati are organized, secretive, and
extremely wealthy at its upper levels. They are not stupid, or
poor people running around dabbling with witchcraft.
To see them as this is a huge misconception.
Q: How widespread would you say this group has infiltrated our
society in terms of number of people? Are they present in every
town or city throughout North America? Do they take or recruit
outsiders? And how far does this group go to keep this knowledge
secret?
A: I think I answered some of the secrecy above. The Illuminati
are present in every major metropolitan center in the United States.
They have divided the United States up into 7 major regions, and
each has a regional council over it, with the heads of the local
councils reporting to them. They meet once every two months, and
on special occasions.
A metropolitan region may have as many as 10 to 30 groups within
it, and rural areas will often have meetings with other local
groups, and report to the metro leadership council. They almost
NEVER recruit outsiders, although ocassionally they will buy
children or a family from Asia, for example, and keep them under
constant surveillance in return for saving their life from the
local Mafia. They are threatened with being returned to this
group if they ever disclose.
They also have excellent lawyers who are well paid to help
cover their tracks. There are also people in the media paid
to help keep stories from coming out. I know of three people
in San Diego who worked for the Union Tribune who were faithful
Illuminists, and who also wrote frequent articles attacking
local therapists who worked with RA (Ritual Abuse) survivors.
I remember leadership boasting they had "run so-and-so out of
town" because of a media blitz, and being quite happy about it.
The Illuminati believe in controlling an area through its:
1. Banks and financial institutions (guess how many sit on banking
boards? You'd be surprised)
2. Local government: guess how many get elected to local city councils?
3. Law: children are encouraged to go to law school and medical school.
4. Media:others are encouraged to go to journalism school, and members
help fund local papers .
Q: Is this the same Illuminati that was created by Adam Weishaupt
in Germany?
A: Weishaupt did not create the Illuminati, they chose him as a
figurehead and told him what to write about. The financiers,
dating back to the bankers during the times of the Templar Knights
who financed the early kings in Europe, created the Illuminati.
Weishaupt was their "go fer", who did their bidding.
Q: Do you have anymore info about the political goals, if any,
of the Illuminati?
A: This article I wrote for Suite101.com addresses it: "Are the
Illuminati taking over the world?" You can reprint it, or part
of it, as long as you give credit to Suite 101 and/or a
link back to the site.
Q: How do Illuminati members recognise each other?
A: Since it is generational, its easy. It isn't hard to
recognize one's father, mother, siblings, and neighbors and
friends one has grown up with. The Illuminati use telephone
trees to contact members when a meeting is to occur. A month
or two ahead of time, leadership council plans dates and places
for meetings for different groups under their umbrella. They
then call local leaders a week ahead of time (the high priest
or priestess). Two days ahead, these people call their head
members, who then call the people under them. A person knows
their status in the group by how far ahead of time they know
a meeting date. The lower in the group, the less they are
trusted with information, and the less "lag time" before
meetings.
Sometimes, certain pieces of jewelry, such as a ruby ring or
an oval emerald, might be worn if meeting someone in a public
place at a prearranged assignation. But most accessing
and contact is done through family members or close friends.
When I lived in San Diego, my entire family of origin and my
four closest friends were all members of the group. It wasn't
hard to reach me, to say the least. My spouse was also a member.
The Illuminati believe in arranged members, and do NOT allow their
members to marry a nonmember. If someone says their spouse isn't
in it, they aren't Illuminati, or they are in denial. This was an
unbreakable policy. My marriage was arranged by the local leadership
council to another ranking member. I didn't want to marry him, because
I didn't love him, and I will never forget what I was told by Athena,
my mentor at the time (she held the second position on the council):
"That's for the best, then, because he can never hurt you or control
you." Or, my mother's timeless advice given when I was 12 years old:
"Never fu-- someone lower than you. They will drag you down. Always
choose someone higher than yourself."
She was an ambitious woman, to say the least, determined that I
would do well in this very political group. I took her advice,
and Athena was my lover and protected me from some of the SOBs
on leadership in San Diego especially Jonathan, the head trainer.
She taught me his weaknesses and how to get around him, and
stood up to him for me. I wouldn't have survived otherwise.
These are NOT nice people and they use and manipulate others
viciously.They cut their eye teeth on status, power, and money.
I have given all of that up to leave, and am glad to be away from
it now, although I do miss some of my friends, and at times I miss
the respect of being a leader. But I am learning to live a whole
new life without the constant background of "family" monitoring
and telling me what to do.
Know what the hardest part of getting out was? The freedom.
Not having anyone telling me what to do. I literally went through
a period of adjustment, felt wobbly, trying to figure out what
I wanted to do. It was hard, since I was used to reflexively
checking my decisions with leadership and Jonathan and my husband.
Freedom can be difficult, believe it or not, and took quite a period
of time to adjust to. I believe that the inability to deal with
it often draws people back in. I hope this information is useful
to you.