POINTER: ALL THESE NET-ABUSE GROUPS! WHICH ONE SHOULD I USE?

[Russ Allbery]

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We have a plentiful selection of newsgroups about network abuse and
related issues, but what is the best one to use? Here are excerpts from
the newsgroups' charters, with emphasis added to help make things clear.
Please refer to the full charters, URLs included here when available, if
you would like more detail.

If you want to learn more about network abuse -- what it is, what can be
done about it and just what all those acronyms mean -- Tim Skirvin has
pointers to more sources of information at:

<http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/>

Thank you for following these recommendations. It will make these
newsgroups more useful for all involved.

Network Abuse Newsgroups:

news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting (moderated)
"News.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting is a newsgroup devoted to
discussion of subjects related to the USE, ADMINISTRATION, AND EFFECTS
OF BLOCKLISTS in ameliorating the problem of unsolicited bulk email
and other unwanted or abusive network traffic. Any topic which is
especially of interest to those maintaining, using, or affected by
blocklists is welcome in this group."

<http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/charter/nanab2.html>

news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins (moderated)
"News.admin.net-abuse.bulletins is a moderated forum for BULLETINS OF
ACTION TAKEN AGAINST NET ABUSE. Appropriate subjects include
cancellation notices (EMP/ECP, spew, binary, and others), status
reports from individual systems concerning action taken against
abusers, results of tracking campaigns, "rogue site" declarations, and
the like." You brought down a spammer? This is the place to report
it.

<http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/charter/nanab.html>

news.admin.net-abuse.sightings (robomoderated)
"News.admin.net-abuse.sightings is a forum for REPORTS OF SIGHTINGS OF
NET ABUSE. It is a robomoderated forum, allowing only properly
formatted posts. Followups are required to be set strictly out of the
group and into the appropriate group in the news.admin.net-abuse.*
hierachy."

<http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/charter/nanas.html>

news.admin.net-abuse.policy (robomoderated)
"News.admin.net-abuse.policy is a moderated forum for DISCUSSION OF
POLICY and site-management issues related to net abuse. Possible
topics include Acceptable Use Policies, what actions should be taken
against abusers, discussion of third-party cancel messages, possible
actions against abusive sites such as rogue site declarations,
discussion of what is and is not net abuse, and so forth."
Crossposting is not allowed here, and the subject must contain some
sort of topic tag.

<http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/charter/nanap.html>

news.admin.net-abuse.email
"News.admin.net-abuse.email is a forum for DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE
ABUSES OF E-MAIL. Possible topics include mailbombing,
denial-of-service attacks, "listserv bombs", unsolicited and/or
unwanted mail, email address lists, mailing list abuse, large-scale
mailings in general, chain letters, "email viruses" such as Good
Times, filtering software such as procmail, and so forth. Flames and
other personal attacks received through email are not on-topic, unless
they are related to another form of abuse." Please DO NOT post
reports and sightings here.

<http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/charter/nanae.html>

news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
"News.admin.net-abuse.usenet is a forum for DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE
ABUSES OF USENET (as defined in news.announce.newusers). Possible
topics include spamming or Excessive Multi-Posting (EMP), Excessive
Cross-Posting (ECP), Usenet chain letters such as MAKE.MONEY.FAST,
forged or third-party cancellations, broken Usenet gateways, forgery
of another user, forged approvals in moderated groups, massively
crossposted "flametrolls", abuse of the newsgroup creation system,
general purpose netiquette, and so forth." Please DO NOT post reports
and sightings here.

<http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/charter/nanau.html>

news.admin.net-abuse.misc
"News.admin.net-abuse.misc is a forum for DISCUSSION of possible net
abuse NOT COVERED BY THE REST OF THE NEWS.ADMIN.NET-ABUSE.* HIERARCHY.
Possible topics include ping-storming, site aliasing, denial of
service attacks, and anything else that DOES NOT FIT INTO THE OTHER
FORUMS in the news.admin.net-abuse.* hierarchy." Please DO NOT post
reports and sightings here.

<http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/charter/nanam.html>

Related Newsgroups:

alt.spam
A less widely used newsgroup, this newsgroup can also be somewhat more
friendly, or at least less confrontational, and is at least lower
traffic. Some posters may find it an easier place to have a
conversation about what to do about spam than the network abuse
newsgroups.

news.admin.censorship
This is a forum for discussion of all aspects of censorship and free
speech issues relating to news administration/Usenet from all sources,
specifically including the government, system and news adminstrators
and other users. This newsgroup is intended for discussing censorship
issues directly related to netnews, although more general censorship
topics do tend to appear.

misc.legal.computing
This group is for the discussion of legal aspects of computers, or
places where computers or computer users bump into the law, such as
electronic communications privacy laws; anti-trust; monopolies;
license agreements; look and feel copyrights; Secret Service; BBS
raids; and anything else remotely related.

[Russ Allbery]

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[Russ Allbery]

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[Russ Allbery]

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it.

Jesus Christ foretold as to the time and the state of the world. The ruler
taken from the thigh, and the fourth monarchy. How lucky we are to see this
light amidst this darkness!

How fine it is to see, with the eyes of faith, Darius and Cyrus, Alexander,
the Romans, Pompey and Herod working, without knowing it, for the glory of
the Gospel!

702. Zeal of the Jewish people for the law, especially after there were no
more prophets.

703. While the prophets were for maintaining the law, the people were
indifferent. But, since there have been no more prophets, zeal has succeeded
them.

704. The devil troubled the zeal of the Jews before Jesus Christ, because he
would have been their salvation, but not since.

The Jewish people scorned by the Gentiles; the Christian people persecuted.

705. Proof.--Prophecies with their fulfilment; what has preceded and what
has followed Jesus Christ.

706. The prophecies are the strongest proof of Jesus Christ. It is for them
also that God has made most provision; for the event which has fulfilled
them is a miracle existing since the birth of the Church to the end. So God
has raised up prophets during sixteen hundred years, and, during fou

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out my spirit."

156Ps. 21:28. "All peoples shall come and worship him."

157Is. 49:6. "It is a light thing that thou shouldst be my servant," etc.

158Ps. 2:8. "Ask of me."

159Ps. 71:11. "All kings shall fall down before him."

160Ps. 34:11. "Witnesses rise up."

161Lam. 3:30. "He giveth his cheek to him that smiteth him."

162Ps. 68:22. Dederunt in escam meam fel. "They gave me also gall for my
meat."

163Is. 49:6. "It is a light thing that thou shouldst be my servant," etc.

164Luke 2:32. "A light to lighten the Gentiles."

165Ps. 167:20. "He hath not dealt so with any nation."

166Matt. 26:27. "Drink ye all of it."

167Rom. 5:12. "for that all have sinned."

168Luke 12:32. "Fear not little flock."

169Phil. 2:12. "With fear and trembling."

170Mark 9:37. "Whosoever receiveth me, receiveth not me, but him that sent
me."

171Mark 13:32. "No one knows, neither the Son, but the Father."

172"Clouds shadowed over the light."

173Mark 1:5. "All the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all
baptized of him."

174Mark 4:12. "Lest they should be converted, and their sins should be
forgiven them."

[175]Matt. 26:50. "Friend, wherefore art thou come?"

[176]Ps. 2:1, 2. "Why do the heathen rage... and the rulers of the earth...
against the Lord."

177Is. 8:14. "For a sanctuary and for a rock of offence."

178John 3:2. "We know that thou art a teacher come from God; for no man can
do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him."

[179]John. 15:24 "If I had not done... they had not had sin."

[180]Matt. 12:25; Luke 11:17. "Every kingdom divided against itself."

181Luke 11:20. "If with the finger of

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etc., because the former
troubles are forgotten.

"For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things
shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

"But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create; for, behold, I
create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

"And I will rejoice in Jerusalem and joy in my people; and the voice of
weeping shall no more be heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

"Before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will
hear. The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat
straw like the bullock; and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not
hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain."

Is. 56:3: "Thus saith the Lord, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my
salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.

"Blessed is the man that doeth this, that keepeth the Sabbath, and keepeth
his hand from doing any evil.

"Neither let the strangers that have joined themselves to me, say, God will
separate me from His people. For thus saith the Lord: Whoever will keep my
Sabbath, and choose the things that please me, and take ho

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of the gospel in general, and that
the Scriptures are the word of God: others have their minds more
especially fixed on some particular great doctrine of the gospel, some
particular truths that they are meditating on, or reading of, in some
portion of Scripture. Some have such conviction in a much more
remarkable manner than others: and there are some who never had such a
special sense of the certainty of divine things impressed upon them,
with such inward evidence and strength, but who yet have very clear
exercises of grace; i.e. of love to God, repentance, and holiness. And
if they be more particularly examined, they appear plainly to have an
inward firm persuasion of the reality of divine things, such as they did
not use to have before their conversion. And those who have the most
clear discoveries of divine truth in the manner that has been mentioned,
cannot have this always in view. When the sense and relish of the divine
excellency of these things fades, on a withdrawment of the Spirit of
God, they have not th

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last, they are commonly unable to satisfy themselves of the
truth of their grace, by all their self-examination. When they hear of
the signs of grace laid down for them to try themselves by, they are
often so clouded, that they do not know how to apply them. They hardly
know whether they have such and such things or no, and whether they have
experienced them or not. That which was the sweetest, best, and most
distinguishing in their experiences, they cannot recover a sense of. But
on a return of the influences of the Spirit of God, to revive the lively
actings of grace, the light breaks through the cloud, and doubting and
darkness soon vanish away.

Persons are often revived out of their dead and dark frames by religious
conversation: while they are talking of divine things, or ever they are
aware, their souls are carried away into holy exercises with abundant
pleasure. And oftentimes, while relating their past experiences to their
Christian brethren, they have a sense of them revived, and the same
experiences are in a degree again renewed. Sometimes, while persons are
exercised in mind with several objections against the goodness of their
state, they have Scriptures one after another coming to their minds, to
answer their scruples, and unravel their difficulties, exceedingly
apposite and proper to their circumstances. By these means, their
darkness is scattered; and often, before the bestowment of any new
remarkable comfort, especially after longcontinued deadness and ill
frames, there are renewed humblings, in a great sense of their own
exceeding vileness and unworth

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going forth of the
commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince,
shall be seven weeks, and three score and two weeks." (The Hebrews were
accustomed to divide numbers, and to place the small first. Thus, 7 and 62
make 69. Of this 70 there will then remain the 70th, that is to say, the 7
last years of which he will speak next.)

"The street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And
after three score and two weeks," (which have followed the first seven.
Christ will then be killed after the sixty-nine weeks, that is to say, in
the last week), "the Christ shall be cut off, and a people of the prince
that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary, and overwhelm all,
and the end of that war shall accomplish the desolation."

"Now one week," (which is the seventieth, which remains), "shall confirm the
covenant with many, and in the midst of the week," (that is to say, the last
three and a half years), "he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to
cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,
even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the
desolate."

Daniel 11. "The angel said to Daniel: There shall stand up yet," (after
Cyrus, under whom this still is), "three kings in Persia," (Cambyses,
Smerdis, Darius); and the fourth who shall then come," (Xerxes) "shall be
far richer than they all, and far stronger,