POINTER: ALL THESE NET-ABUSE GROUPS! WHICH ONE SHOULD I USE?

[Russ Allbery]

Last-modified: 2003-10-04 (revision 1.14)
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We have a plentiful selection of newsgroups about network abuse and
related issues, but what is the best one to use? Here are excerpts from
the newsgroups' charters, with emphasis added to help make things clear.
Please refer to the full charters, URLs included here when available, if
you would like more detail.

If you want to learn more about network abuse -- what it is, what can be
done about it and just what all those acronyms mean -- Tim Skirvin has
pointers to more sources of information at:

<http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/>

Thank you for following these recommendations. It will make these
newsgroups more useful for all involved.

Network Abuse Newsgroups:

news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting (moderated)
"News.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting is a newsgroup devoted to
discussion of subjects related to the USE, ADMINISTRATION, AND EFFECTS
OF BLOCKLISTS in ameliorating the problem of unsolicited bulk email
and other unwanted or abusive network traffic. Any topic which is
especially of interest to those maintaining, using, or affected by
blocklists is welcome in this group."

<http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/charter/nanab2.html>

news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins (moderated)
"News.admin.net-abuse.bulletins is a moderated forum for BULLETINS OF
ACTION TAKEN AGAINST NET ABUSE. Appropriate subjects include
cancellation notices (EMP/ECP, spew, binary, and others), status
reports from individual systems concerning action taken against
abusers, results of tracking campaigns, "rogue site" declarations, and
the like." You brought down a spammer? This is the place to report
it.

<http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/charter/nanab.html>

news.admin.net-abuse.sightings (robomoderated)
"News.admin.net-abuse.sightings is a forum for REPORTS OF SIGHTINGS OF
NET ABUSE. It is a robomoderated forum, allowing only properly
formatted posts. Followups are required to be set strictly out of the
group and into the appropriate group in the news.admin.net-abuse.*
hierachy."

<http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/charter/nanas.html>

news.admin.net-abuse.policy (robomoderated)
"News.admin.net-abuse.policy is a moderated forum for DISCUSSION OF
POLICY and site-management issues related to net abuse. Possible
topics include Acceptable Use Policies, what actions should be taken
against abusers, discussion of third-party cancel messages, possible
actions against abusive sites such as rogue site declarations,
discussion of what is and is not net abuse, and so forth."
Crossposting is not allowed here, and the subject must contain some
sort of topic tag.

<http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/charter/nanap.html>

news.admin.net-abuse.email
"News.admin.net-abuse.email is a forum for DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE
ABUSES OF E-MAIL. Possible topics include mailbombing,
denial-of-service attacks, "listserv bombs", unsolicited and/or
unwanted mail, email address lists, mailing list abuse, large-scale
mailings in general, chain letters, "email viruses" such as Good
Times, filtering software such as procmail, and so forth. Flames and
other personal attacks received through email are not on-topic, unless
they are related to another form of abuse." Please DO NOT post
reports and sightings here.

<http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/charter/nanae.html>

news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
"News.admin.net-abuse.usenet is a forum for DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE
ABUSES OF USENET (as defined in news.announce.newusers). Possible
topics include spamming or Excessive Multi-Posting (EMP), Excessive
Cross-Posting (ECP), Usenet chain letters such as MAKE.MONEY.FAST,
forged or third-party cancellations, broken Usenet gateways, forgery
of another user, forged approvals in moderated groups, massively
crossposted "flametrolls", abuse of the newsgroup creation system,
general purpose netiquette, and so forth." Please DO NOT post reports
and sightings here.

<http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/charter/nanau.html>

news.admin.net-abuse.misc
"News.admin.net-abuse.misc is a forum for DISCUSSION of possible net
abuse NOT COVERED BY THE REST OF THE NEWS.ADMIN.NET-ABUSE.* HIERARCHY.
Possible topics include ping-storming, site aliasing, denial of
service attacks, and anything else that DOES NOT FIT INTO THE OTHER
FORUMS in the news.admin.net-abuse.* hierarchy." Please DO NOT post
reports and sightings here.

<http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/charter/nanam.html>

Related Newsgroups:

alt.spam
A less widely used newsgroup, this newsgroup can also be somewhat more
friendly, or at least less confrontational, and is at least lower
traffic. Some posters may find it an easier place to have a
conversation about what to do about spam than the network abuse
newsgroups.

news.admin.censorship
This is a forum for discussion of all aspects of censorship and free
speech issues relating to news administration/Usenet from all sources,
specifically including the government, system and news adminstrators
and other users. This newsgroup is intended for discussing censorship
issues directly related to netnews, although more general censorship
topics do tend to appear.

misc.legal.computing
This group is for the discussion of legal aspects of computers, or
places where computers or computer users bump into the law, such as
electronic communications privacy laws; anti-trust; monopolies;
license agreements; look and feel copyrights; Secret Service; BBS
raids; and anything else remotely related.

[Russ Allbery]

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[Russ Allbery]

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[Russ Allbery]

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[Russ Allbery]

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[Russ Allbery]

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[Russ Allbery]

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[Russ Allbery]

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[Russ Allbery]

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[Russ Allbery]

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[Russ Allbery]

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[Russ Allbery]

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